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[Xsss4hell]

I wished:

All Xaraya features were in modx, but better organized, ajax enabled, accessible, clean, and in a very small package size.

Not reclame, just a link.
http://www.xaraya.com/

Anyone downloading and installing it is wheter a really lavishly enterprises webmaster or just mad. Itz huuge

[davidm]

Yeah well, Xaraya is not news for those who use CMS/CMF. I am not sure big enterprises deploy Xaraya, but it's a very ambitious project and you can build pretty complex websites with it, if you get past the learning curve. I have kept tabs on it because of the dynamic data stuff but expected some improvement in the UI departement which never came...

Which features are not in MODx and are in Xaraya that you'd like to see in MODx ?
Not sure that there are a lot of those or that they would be hard to implement...

Dynamic Data ? MODx has TV and it goes beyond IMHO...
XML-RPC ? Not yet in MODx yeah but it's coming I think someone's working on it. Same goes for LDAP authentification...

As far as I am concerned, Xaraya has a pretty cluttered and poorly designed admin GUI, a bit like Drupal its logic is somewhat different from other CMS (so is MODx, but at least you get nice results fast ).

[Xsss4hell]

true words,
wise man.

It has a poor backend.

[kickass]

Not to mention that, like Drupal, you have to swallow a Jargon Dictionary to be able to do the least little thing with it. Both these programs are easier to skin than to use, which is why I don't recommend for clients (while I recommend ModX all the time

[kudolink]

I've done a site with Xaraya, www.dallasimmobiliare.it. It took a month to me to learn and some things (like the contact form which is, in fact, the Xaraya registration) needed an excamotage because I can't figure how to make it with that system.
Maybe it has many chances but (I fully agree with kickass) it's a pain to do very simple things.
By the way, from Xaraya came my hate to conditional comments: your work ends up in a enormous template hard to mantain over time (without talking about leaving the work to others!) just to display a single page.
Their Dynamic Data can be very interesting, but it's pretty hard to take advantage of without a line of explanation and no community behind.
Because there's no community behind... void forums... no-one replies to emails... (well, this is just my experience with them)
And after all the possibilities, passing the "vertical" learning curve, what you get? To be chained in "articles", "reviews" and similar kind of organization.
Well, Postnuke can do the same and now with the last template engines can provide  pretty xhtml output too, with about no learning difficulties and a wide range of addons.
This leaving apart problems like the horror admin interface (and there is someone that talks bad of MODx admin interface? Have you ever used, or seen the Xaraya's? I don't think so) and the slowness.

If the client of the above site asks for a change in the site, surely I'll convert it in MODx to do the change.

[doze]

I've done a site with Xaraya, www.dallasimmobiliare.it.

I'm just seeing this from that url:

Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '<' in /www/MW_qPPRanncq/dallasimmobiliare.it/index.php on line 180

[kudolink]

It's incredible. Something has truncated the index.php this morning.
It's pure luck we've speak about Xaraya just today!

Thank you doze: I didn't look at the site when I wrote the url.

[PaulGregory]

OK. But returning to the original post, what features *does* xaraya have that MODx does not?

[Xsss4hell]

oh it seems, nothing is comparable to modx.
but there was always someone who did it's job better,
until modx.
maybe any "enemy" is terminated in this case 

hey was it was a try to find any functions to add to the modx cms.
and there is obviouls a very big one that makes me sad about modx.
I and I suppose any other developer would love to hape a better template management.

[kickass]

hey was it was a try to find any functions to add to the modx cms.
and there is obviouls a very big one that makes me sad about modx.
I and I suppose any other developer would love to hape a better template management.

You suppose WAY wrong. Front end devs LOVE ModX (which actually created a bit of a ruckus back about a year or so ago when the backend and the docs weren't quite ready for all of us who jumped in with both feet!)  I've templated for a bunch of different dynamic programs-- WordPress, PHPld, Esyndicat, Drupal, TextPattern, CubeCart, Zencart, Joomla, Joomla/Virtuemart, etc. . . .  and ModX is pretty much the easiest to template of all of them, with no frontend code decisions forced on us from backend, no stupid overrides, nor any of the other idiocies other dynamic programs force on us. It's also the most flexible, allowing me to easily template different areas of the site differently, hell-- different areas of each DOCUMENT differently if I wish, and allows me to create a completely tableless and accessible site with most any of the bells and whistles I might want. It also gives me three different ways to structure content additions (chunks, templates, snippets) which, in various combinations, allow me to make this pup jump through multiple hoops. Better template management compared to what? Hands down, ModX gives me the most flexibility in making the frontend look exactly the way I wish it to, compared to any other dynamic program I've templated.

I suspect you might not truly understand how ModX templating really works if you're making a statement like that.

[bartnelis]

  LOL

Strange that  for a project I' m currently doing, I was actually looking at XARAYA first, but decided to go with MODx because:

• Much nicer backend user interface
• much less to configure
• template variables seem more or less the same as dynamic data
• good logic to link template variables to actual templates :-)

What i missed in MODx was indeed

• LDAP
• the hooks system of xaraya, but MODx provides more than enough easy to see through funcionality which enables me to actually start building instead of figuring out all these config settings

[davidm]

About LDAP, you should check this :
[Plugin] LDAP Authentication Plugin

It's a development version and not finished it would seem, but a nice starting point for someone to pick up

[Dyeus]

OK. But returning to the original post, what features *does* xaraya have that MODx does not?

It runs multiple sites of one installation... (I am eagerly waiting for modx to do this)

[Xsss4hell]

OKEY I see Xaraya LOST except "Multi-Site-Hosting".
But I'm am soo jealous at WordPress, damn!
They implemented soo many standards, mhhh. IE: XFN - XHTML Friends Network etc.
But the Most interesting is their RPC implementation, which enables me to use a windows application or my mobile phone to add news or articles from anywhere.

WordPress has so many other good aspects, It's opensource dudes, why not copy or overwork parts of it and integrate into modx?

I love when things go forward!!

[kickass]

Yeah, WordPress is a fabulous program. Too bad they never did anything to optimize DB calls though since it's "just a blog platform". And the latest release has left a lot of people high and dry since upgrades are from hell and breaking a lot of stuff. It's the one thing I'll never understand about Wordpress is why the devs never listened to the SCREAMING on the forum asking for easier upgrades. ModX already has those, at least so far.

I've been following ModX for over a year now, and slowly but surely all the good stuff is coming. You just have to be patient (and this comes from someone who isn't.)

For the record, WordPress skins are my main moneymaker. And I'd rather be working more with ModX, and will be, it's already happening.

[zee]

• the hooks system of xaraya, but MODx provides more than enough easy to see through funcionality which enables me to actually start building instead of figuring out all these config settings

Agree,
Xaraya hooks are fabulous.

[bartnelis]

DavidM: many thanks for the pointer to the LDAP [Plugin] !!

Maybe i can get some ppl over here to look at it and refine it.
I'll provide feedback if we succeeded in doing some work on it

[davidm]

You're welcome ! and sure would be great if you improve it to share with the community